Chinese Flambe Glaze Vase
Yongzheng four character marked Chinese porcelain vase measuring 28cm in height, 20cm in width and weighs 80.64 ounces. Purchased at an antique event. References: Chinese Flambé Glazed Ewer with Yongzheng Mark and of the Period (1723-35) at the Victoria and Albert Museum. 18th Century Jun-type Flambe Glaze Quatrefoil Vase Ex-Christie's from Ascot Court.
I believe it was once offered through Aldefer's Auction house roughly ten years ago. It bore the Auction house logo, lot and possibly the date. Lot: 213/12 if I remember right.
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Dear Duane,
Apologies for my late reaction.
You have a monochromic Chinese vase made second half 20th century. The bottom rim and colour and also the total appearance makes me say that. It is marked Yongzheng but that is not the period it is made. Many Chinese porcelain pieces bear Imperial marks but those are really consistent with period theya rae made. Only the pieces improved by the emperor bears his mark and those pieces are of the best quality. Your piece is of nice quality but Yongzheng monochrome vases are really much better. Nevertheless your vase will do good in auction and I feel it will go around the estimate when came up for sale.
Reagrds,
Dear Duane,
I will ask a second opinion on the vase. Pictures can be deceiving. Let me come back to you. I see many modern pieces around and I was not very happy with some aspects of your vase. I can of course make a mistake and then I will correct it.
I come back to you asap.
Regards,
Simon Breider
Dear Duane,
Second opinion showed same result. Its a 20t century piece. I'm sorry to inform you. The expert I asked knows also very well. I think you can go with my appraisal on this vase although I understand you are not happy with it. Again, I'm sorry for your disappointment.
Regards,
Simon Breider
I have requested for a refund due to the poor expertise provided. I believe you have been seriously mistaken. Examples of the base can be found on an ewer of flambe glaze in Victoria & Albert museum. Examples of the shape can be found in the Ascort archives 18TH CENTURY QING JUN-TYPE FLAMBÉ GLAZE QUATREFOIL VASE. Dated to the Yongzheng/Qianlong period (unmarked and no handles). For some reason if I were to put up images of a Ming dynasty bowl or a Kangxi period vase chances are you would claim 20th century as well. Before asking for so much for an appraisal, make sure your research is sound.
Of course that is always possible. Good luck with the vase.
Hello, do not apologize for anything. In fact, might I suggest taking a little longer? I respect your expertise, but from a scholarly standpoint, I cannot agree with you. First, you keep referring to the glaze as monochrome, when it is flambe more closer to Sang De boeuf. Second, you say the bottom rim and colour? But the colour is very consistent assuming you are speaking of the clay with very few impurities and smooth touch. The inside is of ocher colour which is also consistent and not often seen in the second half. Which brings me to the glaze and the foot which display a thick pooling finish around the foot. This cannot be achieved today and filing down is needed. Where the glaze turns blue from firing and then ultimately white is another aspect modern Chinese artist are unable to achieve (lost formula). Maybe I should include more images, and possibly close-ups of the glaze, will persuade you to look at all other aspects. Regards,